science, technology, everything grew. the economy boomed because we invested in people. that is what we need to do again. host: thank you. guest: i think growing the middle class is the key. a lot of these programs have helped to grow the middle class. a think social security helped grow the middle class. so many seniors have relied on social security, and it is not a gift. they worked for it. education -- when i ran for governor, in a middle-class area, 10% of college-aged kids were enrolled. now there are 50% that receive grants. that is not a gift that is something to help grow the middle class. host: jim, california. republican line. caller: $250,000 is not rich. the people on television betting for money, you should tax them. how much do you pay? the president and democrats suck up to these celebrities. they have to pay $40,000 to hang around the democrats. host: he says $250,000 and he criticized fund-raisers. guest: i think there is too much money in politics, and by the way, 80% of the $250,000 and above the income is income over $1 million. that is where the bul